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femkes_follies) wrote2007-08-23 01:45 pm
femkes_follies) wrote2007-08-23 01:45 pm
Research Skills
I really do appreciate all the nudges and leg-ups I've been given as I try to expand my research skills. And I'm glad other people are finding some of the info useful/enjoyable. The plan is for a web page coming this fall/winter.
Toward that end, I wonder what advice you all may have in regards to finding period wills that might list clothing items or other fun stuff.
Parte the First - If you know the inventory number of the manuscript, how do you locate it? And what are the chances that, having located it, you might be able to obtain a copy? Most importantly, at a decent rate. The Bodleian has an Album AMicorum that looks interesting, but I'm not up for shelling out $60-70 if I don't know if it will be useful
Parte the Second - How do you systematically search for extant documents, like wills, that may not be obviously costume-related? And while I'm at it, other than the Alcega, Enns, and Milan books, are there other extant tailor's books anyone knows of? Has anybody spent any time at all looking into the Polish one in L.A.?
One other tidbit that's been knocking around in my brain. I noticed, when comparing, that the "Cheese Museum" ladies are all in dark colors, though none in blue. The ladies in Bruyn's Trachtenbuch are VERY often in blue. And a bit of yellow/ochre is not uncommon. Is this just a factor of those colors preferred by the artist? Or are we seeing a difference in dress? The Cheese Ladies appear to be middle class, in what Dad would call "Sunday-go-ta-meetin'" dresses. And dark aprons. The trachtenbuch ladies are sort of all over the map classwise. And there aren't enough Dutch ladies to REALLY get a feel. Is it just a Nord-Holland thing that eschews blue? Or is it a more work-a-day color, perhaps due to the cost of the dye. Which doesn't QUITE add up, as some of the Flemish ladies are in red in the trachtenbuch. And one of the Cheese Ladies was in Dark green, I think. Which is most likely to be weld over indigo or woad.
?!?!?!?
I'm chasing my tail here, if anybody has any thoughts, I'd be interested.
EDIT: I did find THIS one, which is interesting. I wonder how "German" the German cloak is.
http://www.vertetsable.com/research_freyle.htm
Toward that end, I wonder what advice you all may have in regards to finding period wills that might list clothing items or other fun stuff.
Parte the First - If you know the inventory number of the manuscript, how do you locate it? And what are the chances that, having located it, you might be able to obtain a copy? Most importantly, at a decent rate. The Bodleian has an Album AMicorum that looks interesting, but I'm not up for shelling out $60-70 if I don't know if it will be useful
Parte the Second - How do you systematically search for extant documents, like wills, that may not be obviously costume-related? And while I'm at it, other than the Alcega, Enns, and Milan books, are there other extant tailor's books anyone knows of? Has anybody spent any time at all looking into the Polish one in L.A.?
One other tidbit that's been knocking around in my brain. I noticed, when comparing, that the "Cheese Museum" ladies are all in dark colors, though none in blue. The ladies in Bruyn's Trachtenbuch are VERY often in blue. And a bit of yellow/ochre is not uncommon. Is this just a factor of those colors preferred by the artist? Or are we seeing a difference in dress? The Cheese Ladies appear to be middle class, in what Dad would call "Sunday-go-ta-meetin'" dresses. And dark aprons. The trachtenbuch ladies are sort of all over the map classwise. And there aren't enough Dutch ladies to REALLY get a feel. Is it just a Nord-Holland thing that eschews blue? Or is it a more work-a-day color, perhaps due to the cost of the dye. Which doesn't QUITE add up, as some of the Flemish ladies are in red in the trachtenbuch. And one of the Cheese Ladies was in Dark green, I think. Which is most likely to be weld over indigo or woad.
?!?!?!?
I'm chasing my tail here, if anybody has any thoughts, I'd be interested.
EDIT: I did find THIS one, which is interesting. I wonder how "German" the German cloak is.
http://www.vertetsable.com/research_freyle.htm
Re: Olde documents
For example, I live in Canby, Oregon - in Clackamas county. In modern times my vital records are handled by the state, and my marriage records are probably also located in the county where I was married. So if I were in the future looking for me I'd have to know to look in the state capital in Salem or the county courthouse in Oregon City, assuming that I was born here and had these events occur here.
(I'll just go stream of consciousness here:)
So, we'll start with Beets, Netherlands.
http://www.familysearch.org
click library tab
click Family History Library Catalog in the banner below the tab
click place search
type: Beets as part of Netherlands
The computer returned:
Netherlands, Friesland, Beets
Netherlands, Noord-Holland, Beets
I don't know enough about the Netherlands to be able to know the difference and they could possibly be the same place with different names. At this point I could google for more information, or I might actually know that I wanted the Friesland version, so I am going to click there.
The computer returned as links:
Place Netherlands, Friesland, Beets
References: (See Also) Netherlands, Friesland, Opsterland
Topics: Netherlands, Friesland, Beets - Church records
Netherlands, Friesland, Beets - Names, Personal
This tells me a couple of things - Beets is in Friesland, and is associated with another record center Opsterland (which guessing now, might be an administrative district). Generally wills and probate records are not kept in the little towns, but rather in the next designation. (So in my personal example, probate is kept in the county courthouse in Oregon City and not Canby where I live). When I clicked on the church records link I saw that they do go back to the 16th century, so this is an encouraging sign that there may be probates microfilmed too.
Okay time to google. There is a Wikipedia entry! It tells me that it is in the municipality of Zeevand and in Noord-Holland province. But first I am going to click the see also link to "(See Also) Netherlands, Friesland, Opsterland ". Ah ha. There are the court records for the area. Back to the wikipedia where I discover that there are 2 Beets, which is the reason for the 2 entries. Sometimes it just means that they are just classified differently and it pulls up 2 separate results for each area. When I click on the Nord-Holland Beets back from my original search the court records show up on this search. So when I click on the links provided on either of the court records (either the Opsterland/Friesland or the Nord-Holland) I see that the Nord-Holland query is a little weird because usually you just pick up microfilm or call numbers:
Topic
Netherlands, Noord-Holland, Beets - Court records
Titles
Schepenakten, 1357-1850 / Hoorn (Noord-Holland). Schepenbank
© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
Since there is a copyright and a recent date, this could be an internet file, and it is worth contacting the Salt Lake library to find out how to access the data.
Back now to the Friesland Beets and the court records I found under Opsterland -
The return is (I've abbreviated for what I want to see):
Title: Rechterlijke registers, 1577-1812
Physical: op 12 microfilmspoelen ; 16 mm.
Okay so the rechterlijke (and I don't know what this is either so here is where building the limited legal vocabulary you will need comes into play). Let's just assume we want to order these. One must click on the "film notes" button in the upper right hand corner of the page.
End part one - my post is too long
Re: Olde documents