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femkes_follies) wrote2009-11-07 09:41 pm
femkes_follies) wrote2009-11-07 09:41 pm
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The SCA and Intellectual Property
A general update later on doings and goings on - travel, sewing, chickens, children and the like.
For the moment, I pose a philosophical question to the air:
Where do you draw the line between using research and plagiarism?
If you take a class on a technique is it appropriate to:
Enter an identical item to the one taught in A&S competition?
Teach a class on the same technique?
Teach a class using the instructor's class notes - after all, they're on the web. With the author's permission? Without permission, as long as you leave the author's name on it?
Is there, for instance, a difference between using someone else's classnotes for a calligraphy class, and using their published ductus but teaching the technique with your own notes?
When developing a class to teach, is it appropriate to:
Print off someone else's website to use?
Photocopy a section of a book to use? How much of a section?
Copy occasional paragraphs from others' work into your notes - not directly credited, but listed in a bibliography as a source?
Copy images from other sites and print the images alone to use?
Base a class entirely on someone else's research, but put it in your own words? Does your answer change if the research in question is unique in nature?
Does your answer to any of the above change based on the person? Do you expect more of someone actively pursuing the Arts and Sciences than you would, say, a relative newcomer? DO you consider there to be two groups of instructors: One that does and presents original research, and one that teaches how-to and technique based on others' work?
Lastly, do you feel that it is necessary upon reaching a certain level of achievement within an art or science to branch out of what has been done before and begin to make your own conclusions and interpretations - not based on someone else's work but based purely on the evidence at hand? In other words, is a "thesis topic" a necessary element? Rather than merely using others' redaction of recipes, there is a point at which you need to not only redact a few yourself, but to compare similar recipes of a region and time and begin to reconstruct flavor profiles, for example.
Speak to me of the boundaries of intellectual property. For myself, I feel like the raw information is available for anyone to use. But the theories, conclusions, and interpretations I present are mine alone. Support them, discredit them, argue till you're blue in the face - but credit the source. Yes, it's possible for someone to independently have found the same sources and reached the same conclusions, but is it likely?
What say y'all?
For the moment, I pose a philosophical question to the air:
Where do you draw the line between using research and plagiarism?
If you take a class on a technique is it appropriate to:
Enter an identical item to the one taught in A&S competition?
Teach a class on the same technique?
Teach a class using the instructor's class notes - after all, they're on the web. With the author's permission? Without permission, as long as you leave the author's name on it?
Is there, for instance, a difference between using someone else's classnotes for a calligraphy class, and using their published ductus but teaching the technique with your own notes?
When developing a class to teach, is it appropriate to:
Print off someone else's website to use?
Photocopy a section of a book to use? How much of a section?
Copy occasional paragraphs from others' work into your notes - not directly credited, but listed in a bibliography as a source?
Copy images from other sites and print the images alone to use?
Base a class entirely on someone else's research, but put it in your own words? Does your answer change if the research in question is unique in nature?
Does your answer to any of the above change based on the person? Do you expect more of someone actively pursuing the Arts and Sciences than you would, say, a relative newcomer? DO you consider there to be two groups of instructors: One that does and presents original research, and one that teaches how-to and technique based on others' work?
Lastly, do you feel that it is necessary upon reaching a certain level of achievement within an art or science to branch out of what has been done before and begin to make your own conclusions and interpretations - not based on someone else's work but based purely on the evidence at hand? In other words, is a "thesis topic" a necessary element? Rather than merely using others' redaction of recipes, there is a point at which you need to not only redact a few yourself, but to compare similar recipes of a region and time and begin to reconstruct flavor profiles, for example.
Speak to me of the boundaries of intellectual property. For myself, I feel like the raw information is available for anyone to use. But the theories, conclusions, and interpretations I present are mine alone. Support them, discredit them, argue till you're blue in the face - but credit the source. Yes, it's possible for someone to independently have found the same sources and reached the same conclusions, but is it likely?
What say y'all?
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There are limits to how much a book can be photocopied by a teacher for use by their students, copyright wise. But I am told that I can buy a course pack of photocopies and then go and copy the rest of the book myself and not conflict...Not sure how, but that's what My teachers tell me. Some books I just choose to buy because they are so beautiful.
When it comes to the web, I tend to print off what I find useful or interesting so I can have it again later. So often when you go back to find something you can't or it's been removed. When teaching, I may include a list of links and bib rather than large handouts of copyrighted stuff, for nothing else than I can't afford to be supplying everyone else.
I think all scholars will eventually push the boundaries of present day research. If you are passionate enough and learn enough, you come to your own conclusions about stuff, be it cooking, costuming or biochemistry! When you push those boundaries, you are close, if not already a peer in my books, or in the academic world, working on post graduate stuff.
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IN fact, legally, you can't. MSU got into ALL kinds of trouble about it. Even a lot of the course packs aren't legal. Kinko's refused to do them without written copyright permission from each publisher after the initial dustup. Not sure if they were actually fined, or not.
It's just that the publishers don't have time to police every book at every school.
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Not sure if it's true or not, but that's what they say.
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If you are talking about what I think you are talking about, she is stealing, plain and simple. Even if you are studying what has been studied 1000 times, you must show some independent thought.
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I would dislike someone copying my work or taking my notes without crediting me... even if I put it all up online. This even goes for teaching a class with my notes and would just simply advise against someone doing that for a competition (unless they have a lot of their own work to add and can understand the subject matter and so on...)
Generally I dislike photocopying stuff but have for samples of artwork (say to show some embroidery or a piece of text that needed clarification/translation). No to copying paragraphs, at worst... quoted and directly credited.
If I taught a class based entirely on someone else's work (as uncomfortable as that would make some people feel), I would start it off stating it is just what it is... first I'd get permission from said person and likely credit the person in the class name (it could only help the class).
No changes based on person despite pursuit.
Instructors are just that, I don't expect to be viewing in on an A&S competition ready project when attending a class but rather someone who is proficient enough teach and share information, I would still expect them to be honest about things however.
Level of achievement for teaching? No
Level of achievement for competition or in hopes of greater acknowledgment? Yes
Simply using someone else's redactions for recipes, no matter how good people think they are or how often they churn them out, doesn't show any understanding of the subject.
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I'm mired enough in the world of scientific research and ITS mores that sometimes I get a little lost outside of it.
I also think that there is a pool of folks who were never really taught how to properly cite an article, WHAT can be cited, and at what point it constitutes plagiarism. I took a Research Seminar class in HS, or I'd have gotten shelled in College. And even at that, every instructor had their own requirements. I don't even have the energy anymore to even contemplate publication in a peer-reviewed journal. *shudder* But sometimes, apparently, my standards are too high.
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