Brief SCA Survey

[femkes_follies]

Comment, if you feel inclined, with a ball park figure of how many local groups your Kingdom has. If you're really feeling helpful, divide Baronies/Provinces from other types - but count each Canton as a Local Group, even though it belongs to a Barony.

I's curious.

Comments

[alysten.livejournal.com]

I have 71 official websites/groups to keep track of as Webminister. I am sure I'm missing a few though.

Full roster is here.
Edit: This is East Kingdom (I suppose I could have mentioned that first, doh).

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

*g* Well, I know where you're from.

So far, nobody is coming close to the ~100 we've got.

That's starting to look like it's a larger issue than I used to think.

[alysten.livejournal.com]

I know *you* know. Just helping out your loyal readers. Especially since everyone else was doing it and it was a good idea. ;-)

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

Yeah, apparently my "loyal readers" are expanding. Just today I discovered that RSS feeds don't seem to be an option on the basic lj account.

[jillwheezul.livejournal.com]

My Kingdom
71 groups
One big region that needs to divide - 33 groups
1 remote Canadian Principality - 10 groups
1 less remote Principality - 10 groups (should take part of the big region)
1 more populous Canadian Principality - 18 groups

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

Question - do you feel the Large Region needs to divide into more Regions? Or that your Kingdom needs to spin out another Principality? Or both?

[jillwheezul.livejournal.com]

Not divide into further regions - the Central Region is about a 5-6 hour driving distance from one end to the other, pretty much.

It could split into 2 more Principalities, or the southern portion of the region could join the one already existing US Principality, leaving basically Washington State mostly to be one Principality (or not). The arguing point is who gets to keep the name of the Kingdom... Since Seattle and Portland can not agree who actually was the first group in the kingdom, there isn't a clear historical precendence to follow either.

It would seem to make sense for the Canadian Principalities to spin off and just become its own kingdom, but the word that travels around is that the residents of those 2 Principalities aren't ready/willing.

[minyata.livejournal.com]

Or able, since we have been told we need at least 600 members (even though Corpora states 400 to make up a Kingdom)

Speaking as a member of the remote Canadian Principality, we have little to no contact with our Kingdom unless we make to exerted effort to be.

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

Now, was the Rivers Region that was trying to make a go of the Principality thing near you?

And do you know what happened with that?

[tattycat.livejournal.com]

I'll take a stab at it. According to Atlantia's newcomer site, we have:

15 Baronies
7 Shires
10 Cantons
1 dissolved Canton
1 Stronghold
2 Colleges

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

I can't even keep track of the dissolved groups or incipients that never got to full status, etc. etc...

So you have a fair few Baronies with no cantons, as well.. Interesante.

[lady-guenievre.livejournal.com]

Those numbers sound out of date. Considering my barony has 5 cantons on its own, I don't see how that can be right...

OK, going here- http://acorn.atlantia.sca.org/seneschal.php, the numbers are actually:
16 Baronies, 22 Cantons, 1 College, and 1 Stronghold-turning-Barony-in-September. (And yes, I'm going to email the newcomer's-site-keeper).

The breakdown of Baronies-with-Cantons and Baronies-without-Cantons is somewhat geographical - Northern (MD and VA) baronies have few if any Cantons (8 have none, the only one with 3 is also as far south in Virginia as it can be). NC and SC Baronies tend to have many cantons, with the exception of Hawkwood which only went Barony in 2004). And a lot of those Cantons have no intention, ever, of going Shire/Barony - ie Windmasters has 5 Cantons, at least 3 and possibly 4 of which are almost as old as the Barony (pre 1980).

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

So, currently about 40, more or less.

I'm just trying to get a feel for how big the MK is, comparatively speaking.

Bigness, I'm finding, can be measured in 3 distinct ways:

Geographic size
Population
Number of active groups

All three affect the functioning of the Kingdom in different ways.

[snailstichr.livejournal.com]

Per Calontir's web site, we have 6 Baronies, 24 shires/colleges, 3 cantons and 4 contact groups.
Nice and cozy!

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

Hmm, educate me. What is a contact group?

[snailstichr.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I'm not sure if it is incipient groups or areas that are not yet incipient groups (or perhaps a mixture of both since some have names??).

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

Heh. The Mid used to call those "proto-incipient" groups. Which is really something you have to think your way through.

[lady-guenievre.livejournal.com]

Atlantia used to call these "proto-incipient" as well, and AFAIK we got told "stop that". Incipient means there are a certain number of hoops that have already been jumped through, "contact group" means there are interested people who are probably in the process of jumping through those hoops.

[pearl]

From the list of Lochac groups:

Cresent Isles side, there are two baronies (one with an attempt at a college), one shire (with a college attempt) and one canton = 4.

'On the Continent' there are 9 baronies, 11 shires 7 cantons = 27... there are colleges in that list, too, but they're extremely variable

So... 31 groups? We're all a little spread out, though.

[elizabethankat.livejournal.com]

For my former kingdom, Atenveldt:
6 Baronies
1 Shire that's about to become a barony
5 Shires/Marches
3 Colleges
No cantons or incipient anything elses.

[femkederoas.livejournal.com]

So, 15 total? How many events do you have on a monthly basis?

[elizabethankat.livejournal.com]

Probably 4-5 events a month. Most groups try to not have events on the same weekend. However, December and March get particularly crowded and there tends to be some overlap in those months.

There are six traditional kingdom events (two Crown Tourneys, two Coronations, A&S Collegium, and A&S Competition) plus Estrella War. Usually the kingdom also has a 12th Night. Apart from those, all of the other events are put on by the local groups. The baronies usually have one or two events that they expect to draw non-local people to but their other four or five events a year are mostly meant for the people in their own group. Therefore if they overlap it's no big deal.