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femkes_follies ([personal profile] femkes_follies) wrote2007-12-11 07:30 pm
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Dutch Costume, redux

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Hmmm, I haven't played with this website before. Interesant, no?

I like the headpiece here:

http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO12131$8770*1117374

This looks like one of my cheese ladies, dressed down and aged. Hmmmm....

http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO8827$8770*1118451

And as evidence for the gal who said on SCA-garb that the Dutch were Puritanical and preferred plain dress, I offer:

http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO47448$8770*1122148
http://worldart.sjsu.edu/Obj8785$8770

There's that funny lined/piped partlet again. Plain dress, simple lines - goldworked chemise.

http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO8778$8770*1124451

[identity profile] estela-dufrayse.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
The puritanical movement was just that, a movement.

That would be like saying all Canadians wear puffy down parkas in the winter...

So what have you decided to make for yourself?

[identity profile] femkederoas.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
And fairly late in the 16th century, besides. I'd be willing to date the infamous Cheese Ladies to pre-1575, based on the embroidery on their hemds. They often mention Mary, which suggests that they predate the massive swing to Protestantism in the North.

I've started one of those gowns myself. Frankly, because I think it's cool, and because it will make pretty good maternity garb.

I'd really like to do something based on that black and white ensemble at some point. NOT such great maternity garb. So maybe next fall. And maybe in another color. P'raps a REALLY dark navy. *g* We'll see. Bet if I look I can find some dotted swiss for the cuffs!

[identity profile] landverhuizer.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ummm yeah, about those puritanical Dutch... I wonder what one envisions when they say things like that?

Seen partlets line in red or white towards the middle and later half of the century but admittingly did not pay enough attention to regional differences... round variations, square cut variations... like that one, it looks nice and warm! Tiss my fav. headress on the bottom!

[identity profile] femkederoas.livejournal.com 2007-12-14 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I REALLY want to do that headdress. Opinions on whether this is a more solid drawn-thread style, or a more open reticella-type work?

Ummm yeah, about those puritanical Dutch... I wonder what one envisions when they say things like that?

Probably portraits like the one of Martin Luther's wife. *g* Granted, it was a movement. But hardly universal!

[identity profile] attack-laurel.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
the gal who said on SCA-garb that the Dutch were Puritanical and preferred plain dress,

*eye-roll* just... *eye-roll*

[identity profile] femkederoas.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 12:26 pm (UTC)(link)

*g* The upside is it's sort of re-lit my urge to get some classes together on 16th century Dutch Costuming. I intend to break down these misconceptions. Even if I have to beat them out of people with a rolled up stack of class notes. Bwahahahahahahaha!

(I really do need to make the dress with the polka-dot cuffs. That alone would blow a few cerebral cortices around here.)

[identity profile] ablackram.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine or I should say, more photos for the documentation. Love those puffy sleeves.

And before I scrolled down that town looked familiar. :) Not mine, but close and we used to go there to go to C&A

[identity profile] femkederoas.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Glad you enjoyed.

Hey, if you saw the black and white ensemble - how different is that from your Florentine?

[identity profile] ablackram.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ya, pretty close to the florentine. Many of the other ones you found are similar to the saia, which just goes to prove that both dresses were popular and spread like wildfire. I can see why, both are freaking comfy.

[identity profile] gwacie.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Nice site :)
Have you seen this one in the CMA?


Portrait of Machtelt Suijs
Maerten van Heemskerck (Dutch, 1498 - 1574)
c. 1540-1545

It's incredibly detailed and well worth looking at next time you're in Cleveland and the museum's open and all :)

[identity profile] femkederoas.livejournal.com 2007-12-14 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen the online image. It's currently listed on the website as not being on display. Though whenever I'm next in Cleveland, I might check on it. I don't remember seeing it last time I was there (3 years ago?), but I was interested in other things at the time.

[identity profile] gwacie.livejournal.com 2007-12-14 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not on display because the museum is being renovated right now (nothing is on display! *tragic sigh*) but it was on display when the museum was open, it was in one of the side galleries next to the armour court on the garden-side. Anyway, it's always been one of my favorites, you can practically pet the fur! and you can clearly see the hooks and eyes on her partlet. :) They're supposed to be reopening galleries starting in 2008 so hopefully it'll be back on display soon!