Sometimes I feel the need to clarify the stuff in my head via a post (or two). Y'all seem to know this and put up with me anyway.
In the midst of discussing something else in the last post, I made a remark regarding opinions.
I shall expand.
When Big (or even not-so-big) issues come up, opinions fly thick and fast. Often folks are admonished to "be reasonable" or "talk it out."
Let's analyze in a little greater depth, shall we?
Now, I made a remark that I felt that (making the remark as re: Principalities) Opinions(TM) being expressed by Peers were not sufficient. I don't think I explained myself terribly well.
What I mean to say is thisL
A Peer or Person of Rank of any kind, is certainly entitled to an opinion. As are we all. They are entitled to express that opinion. They may, but are not obligated, to express the reasons behind it. All well and good.
However, there is a world of difference between saying, "I do not want to us to become a Principality" (which is the right of anybody), and saying, "We won't do it because I say so." Which is nobody's right. It's the difference between voting against something and announcing "I forbid it." Last I checked, the SCA does not have a tribune of the plebs, and in this matter, no one has the right of Veto.
It can certainly be argued, sometimes successfully, that the Opinions of Peers of the Realm and other Long Time folks should have more weight than those of the Rank and File. Hrrrmmmmm. Yes and no. Because, while they do have wisdom and experience to bring to bear, there are other issues.
Often we admonish people to "Think about the pros and cons" and to make a logical decision. We hold this up as the best way to make decisions.
Except that none of us really do this. Every time we make a decision, it gets recorded along with the emotions that accompanied it. And that colors every similar decision we make after it.
This means a couple of things. First, this conversation every time it comes up in the Midrealm is colored by the pain of similar past decisions (Calontir, Ealdomere, Northshield, and various failed conversaitions). Except - it's only colored by those emotions for those who were present for them (one or more), or who have heard enough about them to have absorbed that emotional flavor to the very topic.
And so - it's important that people consider not just what they think about it - but also what they feel about it. It's an emotional decision. And we buy into our Baronies, our Kingdoms, and Shires on a deeply emotional level. You can't make a logical decision about this without considering how it makes you feel.
But at the same time - those folks who have a strong emotional reaction against the idea need to understand that other people don't share it. Possibly because they don't share the emotional "recordings" of previous attempts. But that makes their opinions and their feelings no less valid.
So in the end, Peers (etc) are in a position where they may (and should) offer wise counsel to the populace on the topic as they see fit. This, in and of itself, will sway some folks. However, their opinion holds no more weight in a Straw Poll than anyone else's, and they have no inherent right of Veto. Even if they were present for the Midrealm's first Coronation (Which, IIRC, took place in what is now Calontir.)
In the midst of discussing something else in the last post, I made a remark regarding opinions.
I shall expand.
When Big (or even not-so-big) issues come up, opinions fly thick and fast. Often folks are admonished to "be reasonable" or "talk it out."
Let's analyze in a little greater depth, shall we?
Now, I made a remark that I felt that (making the remark as re: Principalities) Opinions(TM) being expressed by Peers were not sufficient. I don't think I explained myself terribly well.
What I mean to say is thisL
A Peer or Person of Rank of any kind, is certainly entitled to an opinion. As are we all. They are entitled to express that opinion. They may, but are not obligated, to express the reasons behind it. All well and good.
However, there is a world of difference between saying, "I do not want to us to become a Principality" (which is the right of anybody), and saying, "We won't do it because I say so." Which is nobody's right. It's the difference between voting against something and announcing "I forbid it." Last I checked, the SCA does not have a tribune of the plebs, and in this matter, no one has the right of Veto.
It can certainly be argued, sometimes successfully, that the Opinions of Peers of the Realm and other Long Time folks should have more weight than those of the Rank and File. Hrrrmmmmm. Yes and no. Because, while they do have wisdom and experience to bring to bear, there are other issues.
Often we admonish people to "Think about the pros and cons" and to make a logical decision. We hold this up as the best way to make decisions.
Except that none of us really do this. Every time we make a decision, it gets recorded along with the emotions that accompanied it. And that colors every similar decision we make after it.
This means a couple of things. First, this conversation every time it comes up in the Midrealm is colored by the pain of similar past decisions (Calontir, Ealdomere, Northshield, and various failed conversaitions). Except - it's only colored by those emotions for those who were present for them (one or more), or who have heard enough about them to have absorbed that emotional flavor to the very topic.
And so - it's important that people consider not just what they think about it - but also what they feel about it. It's an emotional decision. And we buy into our Baronies, our Kingdoms, and Shires on a deeply emotional level. You can't make a logical decision about this without considering how it makes you feel.
But at the same time - those folks who have a strong emotional reaction against the idea need to understand that other people don't share it. Possibly because they don't share the emotional "recordings" of previous attempts. But that makes their opinions and their feelings no less valid.
So in the end, Peers (etc) are in a position where they may (and should) offer wise counsel to the populace on the topic as they see fit. This, in and of itself, will sway some folks. However, their opinion holds no more weight in a Straw Poll than anyone else's, and they have no inherent right of Veto. Even if they were present for the Midrealm's first Coronation (Which, IIRC, took place in what is now Calontir.)