More Politics - SCA style
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femkes_folliesSome people see the glass as half full, while others see it as half empty.
I tend to see it as half empty, and very likely laced with iocaine powder (extra credit for the reference).
That said, is it me, or does there seem to be a lot of monkey-business going on in the Middle Kingdom lately with incipient groups forming and being allowed to form on territory belonging to other groups. Against Kingdom Law. And most of them seem to be households who decide they're in a snit and want to be their own group.
More people (including the Kingdom Officers in charge) apparently need to read Kingdom Law:
1. New Groups Designations Groups seeking establishment will be identified for administrative purposes by one of two designators:
1.1. Applicant Group: An applicant group is any group of people who express interest in beginning the process of becoming a full status group in the Middle Kingdom.
1.2. Incipient Group: An incipient group is an applicant group that has received agreement from its administering branch and whose officers have been designated as deputies of the officers of that administering branch. A group may be designated Incipient by the Kingdom Seneschal or their designated deputy.
2. Reasons for Forming a Group It is recognized that a broad variety of reasons may exist for the establishment of a group. Politics, interpersonal issues, or other conflict-based reasons will not be acceptable as a reason to begin the establishment process, and any group’s request based on those reasons will be denied.
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3.1.1. If the group seeking establishment falls within the boundaries of an established and full status group, it will be that group’s responsibility to serve as the administering branch. In the case where the established group is also a part of a Barony, the Baron, Baroness and Baronial Seneschal must also be consulted.
3.1.1.1. Under no circumstances shall full status group be required to give up lands already owned by them to a group seeking establishment.
Sooo.... if you've just been publicly told "No, you can't have those lands" from the group that holds them.... by extension you are not - or bloody well shouldn't be - an Incipient Group at all. At best, you're an applicant group. More likely, a household with pretensions. Though it seems to have been going on for several years.
As this is the second time this has happened on that side of the state (and the last time, the incipient group was allowed to take territory from another group and join a neighboring barony instead), one wonders what the point is OF the Kingdom law.
I tend to see it as half empty, and very likely laced with iocaine powder (extra credit for the reference).
That said, is it me, or does there seem to be a lot of monkey-business going on in the Middle Kingdom lately with incipient groups forming and being allowed to form on territory belonging to other groups. Against Kingdom Law. And most of them seem to be households who decide they're in a snit and want to be their own group.
More people (including the Kingdom Officers in charge) apparently need to read Kingdom Law:
1. New Groups Designations Groups seeking establishment will be identified for administrative purposes by one of two designators:
1.1. Applicant Group: An applicant group is any group of people who express interest in beginning the process of becoming a full status group in the Middle Kingdom.
1.2. Incipient Group: An incipient group is an applicant group that has received agreement from its administering branch and whose officers have been designated as deputies of the officers of that administering branch. A group may be designated Incipient by the Kingdom Seneschal or their designated deputy.
2. Reasons for Forming a Group It is recognized that a broad variety of reasons may exist for the establishment of a group. Politics, interpersonal issues, or other conflict-based reasons will not be acceptable as a reason to begin the establishment process, and any group’s request based on those reasons will be denied.
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3.1.1. If the group seeking establishment falls within the boundaries of an established and full status group, it will be that group’s responsibility to serve as the administering branch. In the case where the established group is also a part of a Barony, the Baron, Baroness and Baronial Seneschal must also be consulted.
3.1.1.1. Under no circumstances shall full status group be required to give up lands already owned by them to a group seeking establishment.
Sooo.... if you've just been publicly told "No, you can't have those lands" from the group that holds them.... by extension you are not - or bloody well shouldn't be - an Incipient Group at all. At best, you're an applicant group. More likely, a household with pretensions. Though it seems to have been going on for several years.
As this is the second time this has happened on that side of the state (and the last time, the incipient group was allowed to take territory from another group and join a neighboring barony instead), one wonders what the point is OF the Kingdom law.
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Date: 2009-06-24 06:03 pm (UTC)I just never know which way to jump on these things. I'm not a member of any of the groups involved, just watching from a distance. I sort of anticipate a "It really isn't any of your business" response sometimes. It's just a spasm I have against what seems like intermittent rule enforcement. Clearly there have been issues recently, as the Kingdom guidelines for new group formation have recently been rewritten and a FAQ list added. You'd think they'd be more on top of this.
BTW - IS there a list anywhere of official Applicant and Incipient groups?
Maybe I will sit down and compose something. There have been a lot of iffy changes and poor behavior lately. And some of them have the potential to affront a segment of the population sufficiently to incite a movement toward forming a principality if it continues. Which wouldn't be good for anybody, at least at the moment.
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Date: 2009-06-25 05:11 am (UTC)You don't actually see or hear from me often because I liked the rules to apply to everyone the same way. We did not allow groups to splinter. We prevented events from overlapping so both events suffered. I liked the Kingdom mentality rather than the regional mentality. Now my ears bleed.
Check the current facts. Take a deep breath and write a letter. You might make no difference at all but at least you would have had your say. Use the chain of command though or they will write you off as a looney. In other words don't go right to the BOD and say "the people running my kingdom stink". That would be stepping on my territory. The War , if you go, might be a good place for discussion with like minded people and I believe there is a newspaper you could put and ad in to do just that.
Best of luck with all of this.